ucdavis: Tiffany Lew Controversy

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fireinhereye) wrote in

ucdavis,
@ 2010-01-26 10:27:00

Tiffany Lew Controversy
Overrated?
Underrated?

A case of over zealous political correctivism or blatant homophobia? (despite the fact that she specifically states she is discussing straight men and not gays)

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	peaceful_kiwis 2010-01-26 06:49 pm UTC (link)
	what happened? i'm guessing this is in the aggie, which i don't read (Reply to this) (Thread)

	fireinhereye 2010-01-26 06:58 pm UTC (link)
	An opinion column about how she dislikes "girly men" aka metro-sexuals. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

	solid_snack 2010-01-26 08:31 pm UTC (link)
	Are you sure the article wasn't written by Arnold? (Reply to this) (Parent)

rest of arictlce, it got cut off
(Anonymous)
2010-01-27 05:16 am UTC (link)

TIFFANY LEW was beginning to gain some hope for masculine Asian pop stars when John Park, a soulful (and seemingly straight) American Idol contestant made it to Hollywood. That hope was quickly abandoned when a graphic YouTube video of him dancing and singing to "Single Ladies" popped up. Contact her at tjlew@ucdavis.edu.

So yeah, the aggie has been trying to hide this article. I'm posting it here so people can find it and see how bad it really is.

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tr2a
2010-01-26 06:57 pm UTC (link)

i had to look this up, then i had to try and find the column.
for those of us who've graduated and/or dont give a shit about the aggie it's just as stupid as promised.

http://kizerangel.tumblr.com/post/352321838/rise-of-the-girly-men-by-tiffany-lew

this is really just your vanilla brand of banal shit recycled from cosmo. people should be mad because they've unexpectedly run into something idiotic with no reason aside from being pointlessly judgemental about others' lives, but if there's controversy it's a bit overrated because it's fisher-price writing to begin with. honestly though to hell with this crap anyway, get rid of it.

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	itskelp 2010-01-26 08:36 pm UTC (link)
	people read the columns in the aggie? and take them seriously? wha? (Reply to this) (Thread)

	riotous_prole 2010-01-27 04:13 am UTC (link)
	this. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

	pinknezumi 2010-01-28 04:30 am UTC (link)
	yup. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	lizzyshoe 2010-01-26 08:48 pm UTC (link)
	She was extremely brave to publish something so ignorant. One gender studies class would open her mind a little bit to gray ares of sex and gender. I miss Lynn La Lu! (Reply to this) (Thread)

	fireinhereye 2010-01-26 08:51 pm UTC (link)
	Why does it have to be ignorant if she prefers certain behaviors in men? If she is than so are you. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

	fireinhereye 2010-01-26 08:53 pm UTC (link)
	PS: I also hate men in pink shirts with popped collars. Not because it's "girly" but because it looks douchey and 10/10 times that applies to guy wearing it. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	tr2a 2010-01-26 09:41 pm UTC (link)
	because theres no point to it. it's just wishing that people werent how they are for her benefit, which is pretty hideous on its own. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

	(Anonymous) 2010-01-26 09:45 pm UTC (link)
	True but all the columns are about that basically. One person's opinion about things they like/don't like in the world. Stupid and pointless maybe but ignorant...it just seems to be a word people throw around now if one person likes something other than the perceived politically correct view. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

	tr2a 2010-01-26 09:51 pm UTC (link)
	theres a marked difference between political correctness (which was essentially white people correcting white people on how to walk on eggshells addressing "minorities") and people who are actively marginalized telling you how thats not okay. like she said, take a gender studies class so people can stop dealing with this garbage (Reply to this) (Parent)

lizzyshoe
2010-01-26 10:18 pm UTC (link)

I’ve come to the conclusion that the majority of guys these days are girlier than girls themselves (or at least girlier than me - and I’m not even a tomboy). This is a sad, sad fact.

1) Your personal observations do not a survey make. Just because she hasn't run into men "manly" enough for her doesn't mean anything.
2) Calling something a "sad fact" does not mean it is sad to everyone or that it is even a fact.

Now don’t jump to the conclusion that my negative reaction toward this … hmm, “trend,” means I’m homophobic. I’m not. (I mean, I do have gay friends and … I enjoy watching “The Ellen Show.”)

...Riiiighht. "I have gay friends" does not mean you aren't homophobic or judgemental.

At least open gays are set with their sexuality. They know who they are and they’ve left no room for confusion. The lines are clear-cut.

How the hell do you know that? You're completely ignoring people who identify as bisexual, intersexed...all kinds of areas that aren't "man" "woman" "gay". And just because someone identifies as gay/straight/bi/transgender doesn't mean that they are completely sure about their identity, that it can't be refined or changed later. Diversity is beautiful, and I don't think this author has seen enough, or really spoken to enough people to really know what this is about. If her point is that she hasn't found men that are manly enough for her tastes...well, that's her opinion and her preference but finding the right kind of Someone for you is something everybody has to struggle with.

I am by no means saying that I've got it all figured out. I just question anyone who says that they do.

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	inu1989 2010-01-29 03:10 am UTC (link)
	^ This (Hi Lizzy! It be the Astro Club President :D) (Reply to this) (Parent)

	pinknezumi 2010-01-28 04:31 am UTC (link)
	Or even, Sociology of Gender. One of my favorite classes at UC Davis. (Reply to this) (Parent)

logophilia
2010-01-26 10:11 pm UTC (link)

I don't have an opinion the person who wrote it but the tone of the article is very ignorant -- but when you consider the majority of modern society it's unsurprising.

Going with another person said, it's something that can easily be remedied by researching the subject she was discussing. I was pretty livid about it but I stopped being a smacktard about it and looked at it differently. /shrug

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	_terra_ 2010-01-27 04:47 am UTC (link)
	I...thought the point of columns was peoples opinion. Am I completely wrong? Edited at 2010-01-27 04:49 am UTC (Reply to this) (Thread)

	solid_snack 2010-01-27 06:32 pm UTC (link)
	...You expect college students to be tolerant of opposing views? Pshhhh. :P (Reply to this) (Parent)

whole article
(Anonymous)
2010-01-27 05:14 am UTC (link)

Rise of the girly men by Tiffany Lew After witnessing way too many pink shirts, emotionally-intense conversations and over-the-top reactions, I've come to the conclusion that the majority of guys these days are girlier than girls themselves (or at least girlier than me - and I'm not even a tomboy). This is a sad, sad fact. Now don't jump to the conclusion that my negative reaction toward this … hmm, "trend," means I'm homophobic. I'm not. (I mean, I do have gay friends and … I enjoy watching "The Ellen Show.") At least open gays are set with their sexuality. They know who they are and they've left no room for confusion. The lines are clear-cut. On the other hand, girly-men/emo boys/metro sexuals (or whatever label of choice you slap upon straight men who behave in an effeminate manner) just leave me super confused. Guy? Girl? Or a newly invented in-between sex? (Well, I consider that transgender, but that's another topic.) Trying to give them the benefit of the doubt, I'll admit many of the guys I know are Asian and thus they're statistically and genetically destined to be predisposed with more estrogen than any other race. (That's my theory, at least.) But still, biology can only go so far. I'm pretty sure the epidemic goes far beyond the boundaries of race. (It's easy to guarantee over 50 percent of the white guys working at Urban Outfitters are the aforementioned girly men.) So whatever happened to the old saying, "girls will be girls and boys will be boys?" Apparently, a more accurate saying these days would be "girls will be girls and boys … will also be girls." This is an epidemic we've got to fix, but before we can do so, we've got to spot the symptoms - the stages one goes through. Here go the "girly men/emo boys/metro sexual" characteristics: First things first: Appearance. They're super nit-picky. The "part my hair 20 times, gloss my face, wax-my-eyebrows-then-scrub -my t-zone" (if you're a guy who isn't quite sure what that is, then props to you) type of clean. After all this scrubbing and rubbing, they throw on a pink Lacoste shirt (collar popped up). Mandatory first step: fulfilled. The amount of time this all consumes ultimately means you're anywhere from 30 minutes to three hours late to a get-together, reunion, date, you name it. A great difficulty for girly-men is being prompt - there are just way too many angles you can pose in front of a mirror. And yes, in the process, you're holding the girl up. Forget the whole classic "girl applying hours of makeup and making the guy wait" scenario; it's now role-reversal. I'm afraid you're officially one stop closer to all-together ditching your manhood. Actually, there might not even be that said get-together/reunion/date to get to because another characteristic of the girly man is extreme indecisiveness. Here I was thinking how indecisive I am when I can't figure out which pair of shoes to buy at the mall. With a girly- man, the choices of making the trip to the mall, buying the shoe online or friggin' just not buying it all will cause a huge dilemma - I'm talking about a month-long dilemma with hours of discussion and debate. These hours of discussion and debate ultimately turn into hours of "pmsing," mood swings and general emotional turmoil, which are the last and likely most dominate traits of girly men. I must say extreme emotional attunement and sensitivity are keys to the girly men. During these moments of distress, remember: Do not send them random, hilarious YouTube videos or attempt light conversation - trust me, there are dire consequences. Singing sumo wrestlers just aren't funny when one is focused on his distress over which shoe to buy. When it comes down to it, girly men just don't do much for us. Sure, it's nice and even preferable when guys appear tidy and are somewhat sensitive, but when these traits are enhanced tenfold, they might as well just be girls. I'm hoping this girly men trend slowly disappears just as the 1920s lesbian feminists did. But at least the lesbian feminists had a legit social cause.

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	takara_mai 2010-01-27 05:38 am UTC (link)
	LOLWUT "I'm hoping this girly men trend slowly disappears just as the 1920s lesbian feminists did." Why did I even bother reading the whole thing? :/ (Reply to this)

	teh_dip 2010-01-27 06:09 am UTC (link)
	Was this written like three years ago and just now posted? Because I thought the whole metrosexual thing whatever - at least, as she describes it - was out of style these days. I'm shit at trends so I couldn't say either way. Also the article was pretty dumb. (Reply to this)

	prince_of_lies 2010-01-27 05:55 pm UTC (link)
	no one has mentioned that she's also really racist too (Reply to this) (Thread)

	silver_aeris 2010-01-27 08:35 pm UTC (link)
	this. she can send all her fellow men she hates and send them my way. i'm not freaked out by non-macho men. it won't make me feel like i've grown a penis. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	aceofspades13 2010-01-28 02:56 pm UTC (link)
	nono! She's not racist, she's has asian friends and enjoys watching Better Luck Tomorrow! Also, seriously, I wouldn't mind this article as much if it was actually well written and entertaining. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	chiaki777 2010-01-28 02:11 am UTC (link)
	If I may.... I'm mortally offended. Where do I sign the petition to have her removed. This is, of course, my own opinion. (Reply to this)

	inu1989 2010-01-29 03:03 am UTC (link)
	Wow. :P It is such a grand piece of comedy! LMAO Something like this can't be taken seriously. (In all seriousness, though, I like effeminate men. Super muscular, manly, macho guys are a big turn off. But,hey, I won't be making a column soon about my tastes in men. :D) (Reply to this)

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